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| [Giełda] Kupię Xsarę II [wiadomość #858] |
czw, 13 marzec 2008 06:43 |
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Kupię Xsarę II z lat 2002-2004, bezwypadkową, serwisowaną.
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| jazda [wiadomość #854] |
śro, 05 marzec 2008 03:27 |
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| Sklep internetowy - części samochodowe. Ponad 500. [wiadomość #853] |
pon, 03 marzec 2008 16:26 |
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Witam
Posiadamy ponad 500.000 asortymentu - części samochodowe do
większości
dostępnych na rynku samochodów.
Zapraszamy do naszego sklepu internetowego http://www.alkar.sklep.pl/
Pozdrawiam.
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| My Hot Friends Mum Hidden Web Cam getting undressed FUCKING SEXY [wiadomość #852] |
sob, 01 marzec 2008 13:43 |
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PORNOLATION RELEASE
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| fdgh [wiadomość #851] |
wto, 19 luty 2008 07:30 |
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| | Wątek: Telenet nieuwsgroepen mededeling: nieuwsserver adres aanpassen/Attention: modification de l'adresse |
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| Telenet nieuwsgroepen mededeling: nieuwsserver adres aanpassen/Attention: modification de l'adresse [wiadomość #827] |
wto, 29 styczeń 2008 20:55 |
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Beste klant,
Telenet heeft een migratie gedaan van haar nieuwsservers.
Wat betekent dit concreet voor jou als gebruiker?
Er verandert niets aan de service, maar om verder gebruik te maken van de
Telenet nieuwsgroepen service moet je bij de instellingen van je nieuwslezer
het adres van de nieuwsserver veranderen van news.telenet.be of
newsbin.telenet.be in newsgroups.telenet.be. Verder dien je de authenticatie
op deze nieuwsserver uit te schakelen.
Met vriendelijke groeten,
Het Telenet team
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Cher client,
Telenet a effectue une migration de ses serveurs de newsgroup.
Pour continuer a utiliser les newsgroups de Telenet, modifiez dans la
configuration de lecteur de nouvelles l'adresse du serveur de newsgroup:
newsgroups.telenet.be a la place de news.telenet.be ou newsbin.telenet.be.
Ceci ne necessite pas que vous vous identifiez pour acceder a ce serveur de
newsgroup.
Cordialement,
L'equipe Telenet
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| Wholesale To Home 9992 [wiadomość #823] |
pią, 25 styczeń 2008 21:22 |
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Our website offers a range of wonderful gifts for various occasions such as holidays, weddings, birthdays, wedding anniversary, graduations, kids and other special occasions at wholesale prices.
www.wholesaletohome.com
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| | Wątek: M'I.5 Perse cution ' h arassment at work |
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| M'I.5 Perse cution ' h arassment at work [wiadomość #815] |
śro, 02 styczeń 2008 06:22 |
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-=. harassment at work -=
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Once I stopped watching television and listening to the radio at. the end of
1990, "they" had to find. other ways of committing abuses. So they took what
must be for them a tried and tested route;. they get at you by subversion of
those around you. Since they wouldn't be able to. do that with my family or
friends, that meant. getting at people in the workplace to be their
mouthpieces and do their dirty work for. them.
They supplied my employers in Oxford with details from what. was going on in
my private life,. and what I and other people had said at my home and
accommodation in Oxford. So. people at work repeated verbatim words which
had. been said in my home, and repeated what I'd been doing recently. Often
the most trivial things, the ones from your. domestic life, are the ones
which hurt most. One manager in particular at Oxford continuously abused. me
for ten months with verbal sexual abuse,. swearing, and threats to terminate
my employment. After ten months I was. forced to seek psychiatric help and
start taking medication, and was away from work. for two months. I spoke
later with a solicitor about. what had happened at that company; he advised
it was only. possible to take action if you had left the company as a result
of harassment, and such an. action would have to be started very soon after
leaving.
Over a year later the same manager picked on another new worker,. with even
more serious results; that employee. tried to commit suicide with an
overdose as a result of the ill-treatment, and was forced to leave. his job.
But he didn't take action against the. company, either. Abuse at work is
comparable to that elsewhere in that. tangible evidence is difficult to
produce, and the abusers will. always have their denials ready when
challenged. And even if a court. accepts what you say happened, it still
remains to prove that abuse causes the type of breakdown I had at. the end
of 1992. In a recent case. before a British court, a former member of the
Army brought a case against others who had. maltreated him ten years
previously. Although the court. accepted that abuse had occurred, it did not
agree that depressive. illness necessarily followed, and denied justice to
the. plaintiff.
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| | Wątek: M-I 5-Pers ecution ` why the securi ty services? |
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| M-I 5-Pers ecution ` why the securi ty services? [wiadomość #814] |
śro, 02 styczeń 2008 05:20 |
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-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
-=. why the security services? -=
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You may ask, why do I think. the "they" referred to are the security
services? Is there any evidence that. there is a single source, as opposed
to a loosely. based "whispering campaign" amongst many people? Even if there
is a single source, is there any. evidence that "they" are professional
"buggers" as opposed to amateurs, or perhaps. people working for a privately
funded. organization?
a) As to the question of a single source versus something. more fragmented;
it is quite obvious that there is a single source. from the way the campaign
has been carried out. Since things have. been repeated verbatim which were
said in my home, there must be one group. which does the watching and
listening. Since on several occasions (mainly during travel) people. have
been planted in close proximity and rehearsed. in what they were to say, it
follows. that someone must have done the planning for that, and again a
single. source is indicated.
b) So why couldn't it be amateurs? Why couldn't it be. a private
organisation, for example a private detective agency paid to manage. the
campaign and undertake the. technical aspects? Some detective agencies are
unscrupulous as has been proved on the occasions in the. past when they've
been exposed or caught; they too can. have access to the bugging technology
deployed; and there are. reported cases of MI5 paying private eyes to do
their dirty work (against peace campaigners and similar enemies. of the
state) on. the understanding that if they were caught then they could deny
all knowledge. Why couldn't that. be the case?
The main factor pointing to direct security service involvement (as. opposed
to amateurs or. MI5 proxies) is the breadth of their access to the media in
particular, and the fact that the television companies are so. involved in
the. campaign. The BBC would not directly invade someone's home themselves,
since it would not be within their remit to allocate personnel or. financial
resources to do so. An organisation of. their stature would not take part in
a campaign. set up by private sources. The only people they would take
material from would be the. security services, presumably on the assumption
that if the cat ever flew out of the bag yowling it. would be MI5 who would
take. the consequences.
State sponsorship for these acts of psychological. terrorism is also
indicated by duration; support for over six years for a. team of three or
four people would be beyond the means and. will of most private sources.
The viciousness of the slanders. and personal denigration also points to
MI5; they traditionally "protect" the British. state from politicians of the
wrong hue by. character assassination, and in this case are using their
tried and tested methods to murder with words an enemy they have. invented
for. themselves.
And there are precedents. Diana and Hewitt were alleged to. have been filmed
"at it" by an Army intelligence team. which had operated in Northern
Ireland, these allegations were. made by someone called Jones who had been
on the team. His statements were denied by the defence establishment. who
tried to character-assassinate by describing him. as the "Jones twins".
Funny how if you tell the truth, then you. must be ill, isn't it? Thought
only communists behaved like. that?
Hewitt later said that. he'd been spoken to by someone in the army who
revealed the existence of videotapes of him and Diana, and. that the tapes
would be published. if any attempt was made by them to resume their
association.
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| M I-5,Persecu tion ' t heir metho ds a nd tactic s [wiadomość #813] |
śro, 02 styczeń 2008 03:30 |
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They deliberately set out to harass in a way that would resemble. the
symptoms of schizophrenia, so that any report of the. harassment would be
taken as indicating mental. illness and "treated" accordingly. They never
show their own. faces; they only work through proxies, in the media, among
the public, and by manipulating people in the. workplace. Since they do not
declare their identity. there is no evidence to initiate legal action
against the security services or anyone else. The only people you. can
prosecute are the. proxies and they will deny knowledge of any conspiracy.
By repeatedly humiliating and. abusing the victim, they induced mental
illness. This is the worst form of. human rights violation: making any
statement of the harassment appear to be symptomatic of. the illness which
they cause through the harassment. That this can. happen, and people collude
by silence, is absolutely. horrifying.
From. the beginning in June 1990 they set a pattern of harassment which they
have followed without change for the last six years. They paint. me as a
"threat". to which people must "react" (shades of Nazi persecution methods),
while simultaneously portraying their hate campaign on. which they have
spent over a million pounds. of taxpayers money as a "joke".
The MI5 that breaks the law with the silent complicity of the police is. the
same agency that is now seeking a role in. the fight against crime. Perhaps
the real joke is the proposed involvement in. the implementation of justice
of an organisation. which commits criminal acts with secrecy and disinterest
for the legal. process.
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| M`I'5-Pers ecution ` my respon se to the harassme nt [wiadomość #812] |
wto, 01 styczeń 2008 10:56 |
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-= my response. to the harassment -=
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My first reaction in 1990/91 was. to assume that if I broke contact then
they would not be able. to follow and would lose interest. So I did the
things that have been suggested by other people; I sold. my television,
stopped listening to the radio and tried to withdraw. away from the sources
of. abuse as much as possible. I reasoned that they must have more important
things to deal with and that normal people would simply leave. me alone if
it were made difficult for them to continue their. harassment.
I reckoned without the sheer vindictiveness of the. abusers. They did not
let up but instead "got to". people around me, mainly people at work, to do
their dirty. work for them. I went to see my GP, who refused to believe what
he. was being told, and refused to direct me on to anyone who could be of
practical. assistance. It was not until three years had passed that the GP
admitted. the matter was outside his competence and suggested going to the
police.
In the summer of 1994 we called. in counter-surveillance experts from a
private detective agency to. sweep our house and telephone for bugging
devices. They conducted a thorough search and found nothing; but. as noted
above, since. the existence of surveillance was being forced in my face by
the harassers, you would expect them to have taken the possibility. of a
counter-surveillance. sweep into account when planning the type of devices
to. be employed.
In Easter. 1995 I made a complaint to my local Police station in London, but
the police have not expressed. any intention to do anything about the
continuing harassment ("we're not saying it's happening and. we're not
saying it isn't happening" were the words used). I. think the officer I
spoke to at Easter wasn't aware of it happening, although. other members of
the police. force obviously do know.
From April 1995 until the present time the matter has been discussed in. a
lot of detail on the. Usenet (Internet) "uk.misc" newsgroup. That discussion
has given birth to the article which you are now reading. My hopes. in
posting to Usenet. were that wider publicizing would discourage the security
services from continuing their harassment,. and "draw people out" into
concurring with the truth of what was being said.. Neither of those have
followed, but the discussion. has served a purpose in allowing this
structured report to. be created.
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| M I-5 Persecu tion , a buse in se t-up situation s an d in pub lic [wiadomość #811] |
wto, 01 styczeń 2008 10:00 |
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Strangers in the street have recognized me on sight many times,. and shown
awareness of the current thread of abuse. To give you one. example, in 1992
I was seriously ill, and a manager at work. somewhat humorously said that
"it wasn't. fair" that people were bullying me. A few days later, I attended
for the first time a clinic in London as an outpatient, and on. my way out
was accosted by someone who asked if "they had paid my fare", with. emphasis
on. the word "fare". He repeated the word several times in this different
context;. that they should have paid my "fare", each time emphasizing the
word.
For two and a half years from the time their harassment. started until
November 1992 I refused to see a psychiatrist, because I reasoned that. I
was not ill of my. own action or fault, but through the stress caused by
harassment, and that a lessening of the illness would have. to be consequent
to a removal of its immediate cause, in other words a. cessation of
harassment. I also reasoned that since they were taunting me. with jokes
about. mental illness, if I were to seek treatment then the abusers would
think that they had "won" and. been proved "right". Remember, the constant
theme of any persecution is, "we must destroy you. because you're X",
whether X is a racial or other attribute. In this. case the X was "we
persecute you because. you have brain disease". The similarity of this logic
to Nazi. attitudes to the mentally ill is striking.
The same manager who'd said "it wasn't. fair" asked me in winter 1992 why I
didn't seek help from a psychiatrist; was it,. he asked, because "they would
think they had won" if I sought treatment? That. was something I'd never
said at work... again, taken separately it proves. nothing, but many such
things over a period of months proves conclusively that. people in the
company knew what was. going on, and in quite a lot of detail.
Usually harassment in public lacks the level of finesse of "paying. your
fare". Most. people's imagination does not go beyond moronic parroting of
the current term of denigration. That is. not surprising given the average
level of the abusers;. if they do not have the intelligence to distinguish
wrong from right then neither will they have the capacity for. anything
other than mindless repetition of a. monosyllabic term calculated to fit
into. their minds.
The first incidents of verbal assault in public were. in again in the summer
of 1990, although they increased in frequency and venom. with time. In July
1990 the. first public incident occurred on a tube train on the Northern
line. Two men and their girlfriends recognised. me; the women sprang to my
defence, saying "He looks perfectly normal, he doesn't look ill".. Their
boyfriends of course knew better, and followed the party. line; one of them
made reference to an "operation",. apparently to work at the tube station
but implicitly to a visit that I had made. to hospital a couple of weeks
previously.
In August 1990 going. home from college, soon after getting on a tube train
at. Gloucester Road I was followed by a group of four youths, who started a
chant of abuse. That they were targeting me was confirmed. by other people
in the carriage, one of whom asked. the other "who are they going on at, is
it the. bloke who just got on?" to which the second replied "yes, I think
so". I was tempted to reply, but as in. every other instance the abusers are
enabled in their cowardice by. physically outnumbering the abused; any
confrontation would result in my being beaten up, followed by a. complaint
to the police that "he attacked us", and of course he's ill,. so he must
have been imagining that. we were getting at him. Shitty, aren't they?
But the shittiness of the four youths on the tube train. is as nothing
compared to the. episode on the National Express coach to Dover in the
summer of 1992. While going on holiday to. the Continent I was verbally set
upon by a couple travelling sitting a few rows behind. The boy did. the
talking, his female companion contributing only a continuous. empty giggling
noise. He spoke loudly to ensure other people on the coach. heard, always
about "they" and "this bloke" but never naming either the abusers or. the
person. he was talking about. He said "they" had "found somebody from his
school, and. he was always really stressed at school". They must have dug
deep to find enemies there; perhaps someone. who dropped out of school,
someone who didn't do. too well later, who was jealous and keen to get their
own back? The boy also said "he was. in a bed and breakfast for only one
night and they got him". By a not unexpected coincidence. I had been in a
B&B in Oxford. a week previously, which had been booked from work; other
things lead me to the conclusion that the. company's offices were bugged for
most. of the 2 1/2 years that I was there, so "they" would have known a room
in the B&B had been booked. (But I'll bet "they" didn't tell. the company's
managers their offices were bugged,. did they?).
After a few minutes of this I went back to where they were sitting. and
asked where they were travelling. The boy named a. village in France, and
the girl's giggling suddenly ceased; presumably it permeated to her. brain
cell what the. purpose of the boy's abuse was.
This and other set-up. situations are obviously calculated to provoke a
direct confrontation which would bring. in the police, with the abusers
claiming that they were. the ones attacked. Again in 1992, outside the
house where I was living in Oxford I was physically. attacked by someone -
not punched, just grabbed by. the coat, with some verbals thrown in for good
measure. That was. something the people at work shouldn't have known
about... but soon. after a couple of people were talking right in front of
me about, "I heard he was attacked". The UK police have. a responsibility
for preventing assault occurring, but they do not. seem to take any interest
in. meeting that responsibility. I suppose their attitude is that harassment
does not come within their remit unless it involves. physical assault, and
they will only. become involved once that happens. That is of course quite
the wrong attitude for them to take,. but as I now understand, the police
investigate only the crime they. wish to investigate; if they do not take
your complaints seriously then there is. nothing you can do to make them
take. action.
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| M,I.5,Per secution Ber nard Levi n exp resses h is view s [wiadomość #810] |
wto, 01 styczeń 2008 08:22 |
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The article of which part is reproduced below was penned. by Bernard Levin
for the Features section of the Times on 21. September 1991. To my mind, it
described the situation at the time and in particular a recent meeting. with
a friend, during which I for the first time admitted. to someone other than
my GP that I had been subjected to a conspiracy of harassment over. the
previous year and. a half.
>There is a madman running loose about London, called David Campbell; I. have
>no. reason to believe that he is violent, but he should certainly be
>approached with. caution. You may know him by the curious glitter in his
>eyes and a persistent trembling of his hands; if. that does not suffice, you
>will find him. attempting to thrust no fewer than 48 books into your arms,
>all hardbacks, with a promise. that, if you should return to the same
>meeting-place next year, he will heave another 80. at you.
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>If, by now, the police have arrived and are keeping a close watch. on him,
>you may feel sufficiently emboldened to examine. the books. The jackets are
>a model of uncluttered typography,. elegantly and simply laid out; there is
>an unobtrusive colophon of a rising sun,. probably not picked at random.
>Gaining confidence - the lunatic is smiling. by now, and the policemen, who
>know about. such things, have significantly removed their helmets - you
>could do worse. than take the jacket off the first book in the pile. The
>only word. possible to describe the binding is sumptuous; real cloth in a
>glorious shade of dark green, with the title and author. in black and gold
>on the. spine.
>
>Look. at it more closely; your eyes do not deceive you - it truly does have
>real top-bands and tail-bands, in yellow, and, for good. measure, a silk
>marker ribbon. in a lighter green. The paper is cream-wove and acid-free,
>and the. book is sewn, not glued.
>
>Throughout. the encounter, I should have mentioned, our loony has been
>chattering away, although what he is trying to say is. almost impossible to
>understand; after a time, however, he becomes. sufficiently coherent to make
>clear that he is trying to. sell the books to you. Well, now, such quality
>in bookmaking today can only be for. collectors' limited editions at a
>fearsome price. - #30, #40, #50?
>
>No, no, he says, the glitter more. powerful than ever and the trembling of
>his hands rapidly spreading. throughout his entire body; no, no - the books
>are priced variously at #7, #8 or #9, with. the top price #12.
>
>At this, the. policemen understandably put their helmets back on; one of
>them draws his truncheon and the other. can be heard summoning
>reinforcements. on his walkie-talkie. The madman bursts into tears, and
>swears. it is all true.
>
>And it. is.
>
>David Campbell has acquired the entire. rights to the whole of the
>Everyman's Library, which died a. lingering and shameful death a decade or
>so ago, and he proposes to start. it all over again - 48 volumes this
>September and. 80 more next year, in editions I have described, at the
>prices specified. He. proposes to launch his amazing venture simultaneously
>in Britain and the United States, with the massive. firepower of Random
>Century at his back in this country, and the. dashing cavalry of Knopf
>across the water, and no one. who loves literature and courage will forbear
>to. cheer.
At the. time this article was written I had believed for some time that
columnists in the Times and other journalists had been making references. to
my situation. Nothing unusual about this you may. think, plenty of people
have the same sort of ideas and obviously the papers aren't. writing about
them, so why should. my beliefs not be as false as those of others?
What makes this article so extraordinary is that. three or four days
immediately preceding its publication,. I had a meeting with a friend,
during the course of which we discussed the media. persecution, and in
particular that by Times columnists. It. seemed to me, reading the article
by Levin in Saturdays paper,. that he was describing in some detail his
"artists impression". of that meeting. Most telling are the final
sentences, when he. writes, "The madman bursts into tears, and swears it is
all true. And it is." Although I did not "burst into tears" (he seems. to be
using a bit. of poetic licence and exaggerating) I did try hard to convince
my friend that it. was all true; and I am able to concur with Mr Levin,
because, of course,. it is.
At the beginning of the piece Levin reveals a fear of being. attacked by the
"irrational" subject of his story, saying "I have no. reason to believe that
he is violent, but he should certainly be approached with. caution". This
goes back to the xenophobic propaganda of "defence" against. a "threat"
which was seen at the. very beginning of the harassment. The impression of a
"madman running loose" who needs to. be controlled through an agency which
assigns to itself the mantle of the "police" is also one. which had been
expressed. elsewhere.
In the final paragraph of this extract, his. reference to Everymans Library
as having "died. a lingering and shameful death a decade or so ago" shows
clearly what sort of conclusion they wish to their campaign.. They want a
permanent solution, and as they are prevented. from achieving that solution
directly, they waste. significant resources on methods which have been
repeatedly. shown to be ineffective for such a purpose.
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wto, 01 styczeń 2008 07:40 |
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The article of which part is reproduced below was. penned by Bernard Levin
for the Features section of the Times on 21 September 1991. To my mind,. it
described the situation at the time and in particular a recent. meeting with
a. friend, during which I for the first time admitted to someone other than
my GP that I had been subjected to a conspiracy. of harassment over the
previous year. and a half.
>There is a madman running loose about London, called David Campbell;. I have
>no reason to believe that he is violent, but he should certainly. be
>approached. with caution. You may know him by the curious glitter in his
>eyes and a persistent trembling of his hands; if. that does not suffice, you
>will find him attempting. to thrust no fewer than 48 books into your arms,
>all hardbacks, with a promise that, if you should return to the. same
>meeting-place next year,. he will heave another 80 at you.
>
>If, by now, the. police have arrived and are keeping a close watch on him,
>you may feel sufficiently emboldened. to examine the books. The jackets are
>a model of uncluttered typography, elegantly and simply laid out; there. is
>an unobtrusive colophon of a rising sun,. probably not picked at random.
>Gaining confidence - the lunatic is. smiling by now, and the policemen, who
>know. about such things, have significantly removed their helmets - you
>could do worse than take the jacket off the first. book in the pile. The
>only word possible to describe the binding is sumptuous;. real cloth in a
>glorious shade of dark green, with the title and. author in black and gold
>on. the spine.
>
>Look at it. more closely; your eyes do not deceive you - it truly does have
>real. top-bands and tail-bands, in yellow, and, for good measure, a silk
>marker ribbon in a lighter green. The paper is cream-wove and. acid-free,
>and the book is sewn,. not glued.
>
>Throughout the encounter, I. should have mentioned, our loony has been
>chattering away, although what he is trying to say. is almost impossible to
>understand; after a time, however, he becomes sufficiently. coherent to make
>clear. that he is trying to sell the books to you. Well, now, such quality
>in bookmaking. today can only be for collectors' limited editions at a
>fearsome price - #30, #40,. #50?
>
>No, no, he says, the glitter more powerful than. ever and the trembling of
>his hands rapidly spreading throughout his entire. body; no, no - the books
>are priced variously at. #7, #8 or #9, with the top price #12.
>
>At this, the policemen understandably put their. helmets back on; one of
>them draws his truncheon and the. other can be heard summoning
>reinforcements on his walkie-talkie. The. madman bursts into tears, and
>swears it is all. true.
>
>And. it is.
>
>David Campbell. has acquired the entire rights to the whole of the
>Everyman's Library, which died a lingering and shameful death. a decade or
>so ago, and he proposes to start it all over again -. 48 volumes this
>September and 80 more next year, in editions I. have described, at the
>prices specified. He proposes to. launch his amazing venture simultaneously
>in. Britain and the United States, with the massive firepower of Random
>Century at his back in this country, and the dashing cavalry of. Knopf
>across the water, and no. one who loves literature and courage will forbear
>to. cheer.
At the time this article was written I had believed for some time. that
columnists in the Times and other journalists. had been making references to
my situation. Nothing. unusual about this you may think, plenty of people
have the same sort of ideas. and obviously the papers aren't writing about
them, so. why should my beliefs not be as false as those of others?
What makes this article so extraordinary is that. three or four days
immediately preceding its publication, I had a. meeting with a friend,
during the course of which we discussed the. media persecution, and in
particular that by Times columnists. It seemed to me, reading the. article
by Levin in Saturdays. paper, that he was describing in some detail his
"artists impression" of that meeting.. Most telling are the final
sentences, when he writes, "The madman. bursts into tears, and swears it is
all true. And it. is." Although I did not "burst into tears" (he seems to be
using a bit of poetic licence. and exaggerating) I did try hard to convince
my friend that it was all true; and I am able to concur. with Mr Levin,
because, of. course, it is.
At. the beginning of the piece Levin reveals a fear of being attacked by the
"irrational" subject of his. story, saying "I have no reason to believe that
he is violent, but he should certainly be. approached with caution". This
goes back to the xenophobic propaganda of "defence". against a "threat"
which was seen at the very beginning of the harassment. The. impression of a
"madman running loose" who needs to. be controlled through an agency which
assigns to itself. the mantle of the "police" is also one which had been
expressed. elsewhere.
In the final paragraph. of this extract, his reference to Everymans Library
as having "died a. lingering and shameful death a decade or so ago" shows
clearly what sort of conclusion. they wish to their campaign. They want a
permanent solution, and as they are prevented from achieving that. solution
directly, they waste significant resources on. methods which have been
repeatedly shown to be ineffective for such a. purpose.
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Many people know, both in the establishment and media, and among. the
general public. Despite an. absence of its target from the UK for more than
two years, the echoes. of paranoia can still be heard loud and clear from
across the water. When it started in 1990, the only. people who knew were
those in BBC television who were spying on my home, and a. few radio
broadcasters. There were a few cases of public harassment,. but very little
compared to the situation that developed. a couple of years later.
The list today. includes BBC TV staff (newsreaders such as Martyn Lewis,
Michael Buerk, Nicholas Witchell),. people from radio stations such as
Chris. Tarrant of Capital and Radio 1 DJs, people in the print media, but
also many people in the general public. All united in. a conspiracy which
breaks the laws which the UK does have regarding harassment,. and all
completely uncaring for any semblance of decency or elementary. respect
for. individual rights.
The British. police (obviously) do know the nature of the harassment and in
all. probability the identity of those behind it. Some time ago I made a
complaint to my local. police station in London, without positive result.
The UK police are failing in their duty to see the law enforced. in not
checking the. abuse.
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The harassment. didn't start by itself, so someone must have been there at
the outset to give it. a firm push and set the "animals" after me. It looks
as if I was set up in June. 1990, and the timing indicates someone from
university. was responsible.
>One thing which has been missing from this discussion is this. simple
>prognosis: that maybe he is right and that, despite. his admitted
>mental condition, there really. is a campaign against him organised by
>now-influential. ex-students of his university.
In May or June 1990, Alan Freeman on Radio 1 read out. a letter from someone
who had known. me for a few years, who wrote of the one who "wore out his
welcome with random precision" (from. the Pink Floyd song). Freeman went on
to say to the writer. "that's a hell of a letter you wrote there". The
indication is strongly that people I. had parted from soon before nursed a
grudge against me and were. trying to cause trouble for me.
The suggestion is that Freeman might have shown. the letter to other people,
and. things could have snowballed from there. Right from the start the real
source (security services presumed) didn't announce. themselves as the
origin, but let the "talkers", the radio DJs, believe that they. were the
originators. Think about it; if you announce, "we're MI5 and we have. a
campaign against this bloke". then people might not go along with it; but if
you say, "everyone else is getting. at this bloke because he 'deserves' it"
then people will join. in with fewer qualms.
>Why would "they" wish to assassinate. your character?
It's. the classic case of hitting a cripple to prove you're stronger. Why
would the security services expend hundreds. of thousands of pounds and more
than six years of manpower to try to kill a. British citizen? Because they
are motivated by people who knew. me at university and feel personal
animosity; because they knew me to be emotionally weak,. and it is in the
nature of bullies to prey on. those known to be weak; and because they can
rely on the complicity of the establishment, which the. security services
manipulate and derive funding from. This is. England's biggest humiliation
today, and the British security. services are intent on preventing their
humiliation becoming reality by continuing their. campaign of attempted
murder to suppress the. truth from becoming public.
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wto, 01 styczeń 2008 04:37 |
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Capital Radio DJs have been "in on it" from the start. One. of the first
things I heard in the summer of 1990 was. from a Capital DJ who said, "If
he listens to Capital. then he can't be all bad" (supportive, you see. We're
not bastards). Much of what came. over the radio in 1990 is now so far away
the precise details have been obliterated by time. No diary was kept. of the
details,. and although archives if they exist may give pointers, the
ambiguity of what broadcasters said would. leave that open to
re-interpretation.
In spring 1994, Chris Tarrant on his Capital morning show made an aside. to
someone else in the. studio, about a person he didn't identify. He said,
"You know this bloke? He says we're trying to kill him. We should. be done
for attempted. manslaughter".
That mirrored. something I had said a day or two before. What Tarrant said
was understood by the staff member in the. studio he was saying it to; they
said, "Oh. no, don't say that" to Tarrant. If any archives exist of the
morning show (probably unlikely) then it could be found there;. what he said
was so out of context that he. would be very hard put to find an explanation.
A couple of days later, someone at the site where I was working repeated. the
remark although in a. different way; they said there had been people in a
computer room when automatic fire extinguishers. went off and those people
were. "thinking of suing for attempted manslaughter".
Finally, this isn't confined. to the established radio stations. In 1990
after I had. listened to a pirate radio station in South London for about
half an. hour, there was an audible phone call in the background, followed
by total silence for a few moments, then shrieks. of laughter. "So what are
we supposed to say now? Deadly torture? He's going to. talk to us now, isn't
he?",. which meant that they could hear what I would say in my room.
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PO: >Did you ever look for the bugs in your house ?. If not, why not ? I mean if
PO: >I. thought that was happening to me, I'd search the place from top to bottom,
PO: >I mean. I live there I would know if anything was out of place. If I was
PO:. >really suspicious, I would call in one of those bug detection teams which
PO: >have those machines that pick up. the transmitted radio waves. This
PO: >reminds me of BUGS, that new programme on BBC1. on
That's exactly what we. did. We went to a competent, professional detective
agency. in London, paid them over 400 quid to debug our house. They used
scanner devices which go to over 1 GHz and would. pick up any nearby
transmitter in that range, they also. checked the phones and found
nothing... but if the tap. was at the exchange, then they wouldn't find
anything, would. they?
CS: >Doesn't this suggest. to you that there are, in fact, no bugs to be found?
You can assume that they've done. this sort of thing to other people in more
"serious" cases, where they would know the targets would. suspect the
presence of electronic surveillance. So. they will have developed techniques
and devices which are not readily detectable either. by visual inspection or
by electronic means. What. those techniques might be, I couldn't guess.
In this case, the existence of bugging devices. was clear from the
beginning, and they "rubbed it in". with what was said by the boy on the
coach. It was almost as if they wanted. counter-surveillance people to be
called in, who they knew would fail to. detect the bugging devices, causing
loss. of credibility to the other things I would have to say relating to the
harassment.
I did all the things. someone in my situation would do to try to find the
bugs. In addition. to calling in professional help using electronic
counter-surveillance, I made a close visual inspection of. electrical
equipment, plus any points where audio or video surveillance. devices might
have been concealed. Of course, I found nothing.. Normal surveillance
"mini-cameras" are quite. noticeable and require visible supporting
circuitry. It seems to me the best. place to put a small video surveillance
device would be additional to. a piece of electronic equipment such as a TV
or video. It would be necessary to physically break in to a property to. fit
such. a device.
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The first incident in June 1990 was when a BBC newsreader made. what seemed
to be a reaction to something which had happened in. my home, and out of
context of what they were reading. My. first reaction was disbelief; nothing
of the sort had ever happened before, the idea that such a thing. could
occur had not crossed my mind, yet there was no doubt. of what had just
taken place. My disbelief. eroded as this recurred time after time. Besides
the news, offenders. included shows such as Crimewatch (!), Newsnight, and
"entertainment" shows. There seems to be very little. moral understanding
among the people who make these programmes;. they just assume they will
never be caught, so. they carry on without a thought for the illegality or
amorality of what they do. The only time I ever heard a word. raised in
doubt was by Paxman being interviewed by someone else (I. think by Clive
Anderson) back in 1990;. referring to the "watching" he said it troubled
him, and when asked by the host what you could do about it, replied. "Well,
you. could just switch it off" (meaning the surveillance monitor in the
studio). He clearly didn't let his. doubts stand in the way of continued
surreptitious. spying from his own or other people's shows, though.
Now you're convinced this is a troll,. aren't you? This story has been the
subject of much debate on the uk.* Usenet newsgroups for over a year,. and
some readers believe it to be an invention (it has even. been suggested that
a group of psychology students. are responsible!), others think it
symptomatic of a derangement of the author, and. a few give it credence.
Quite a few people do know. part or all of the story already, so this text
will fill in the gaps in their knowledge. For the. rest, what may persuade
you of the third possibility is that. some of the incidents detailed are
checkable against any. archives of radio and TV programmes that exist; that
the incidents involve named people (even if those hiding in. the shadows
have not made their identity or. affiliations evident), and those people
may be persuaded to. come out with the truth; and that the campaign of
harassment. is continuing today both in the UK and on the American
continent, in a none-too-secret fashion; by its. nature the significant risk
of exposure. increases with time.
On several occasions people said to my face that. harassment from the TV was
happening. On the first day I worked in Oxford, I spent the evening in. the
local pub with the company's. technical director Ian, and Phil, another
employee. Ian made a few references to me and said to Phil, as if in. an
aside, "Is he the bloke who's been on TV?" to which. Phil replied, "Yes, I
think. so".
I made a number of efforts to. find the bugs, without success; last year we
employed professional counter-surveillance people to scan. for bugs (see
later) again without result. In autumn 1990 I disposed. of my TV and watched
virtually no. television for the next three years. But harassment from TV
stations has gone on for. over six years and continues to this day. This is
something that many people obviously know is happening; yet the. TV staff
have the morality. of paedophiles, that because they're getting away with it
they feel no. wrong.
Other. people who were involved in the abuse in 1990 were DJs on BBC radio
stations, notably disc jockeys from Radio 1 and other stations (see. the
following section). Again, since. they don't have sense in the first place
they can't be expect. to have the moral sense not to be part of criminal
harassment.
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